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Herbstwerk
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I dunno I think other bands do the whole martial thing alot better than this. |
Sure, but never got such publicity.
Even Douglas P. and David Tibet together can't beat Boyd on the media front although having times more musical influence, fans, sales etc.
I never liked Boyd Rice too.. and reading Total war lyrics it seems to me that he's not expressing ideas but just putting there all that might be perceived as "evil" and "extreme". Like the Christian fundamentalists purchased that song as a proof to show what's "satanic".
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Antonius
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I dunno I think other bands do the whole martial thing alot better than this. |
Sure, but never got such publicity.
Even Douglas P. and David Tibet together can't beat Boyd on the media front although having times more musical influence, fans, sales etc.
I never liked Boyd Rice too.. and reading Total war lyrics it seems to me that he's not expressing ideas but just putting there all that might be perceived as "evil" and "extreme". Like the Christian fundamentalists purchased that song as a proof to show what's "satanic". |
Publicity means nothing to me. Clearly Mr. Rice is very into publicity and has made himself into a kind of "industrial celebrity". I think that the artists that prefer to remain relatively anonymous have much more integrity.
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Brad
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I like the track "Total War." Boyd Rice and especially Monte Cazazza's lyrical styles sometimes remind me of the sort of poetry children write, which is pretty odd considering their usual subject matter. Does anyone know what I mean? It's the lack of normal adult self-repression, I guess.
I asked this in another forum a while ago and got no response, so I'll try again here. In the book Art That Kills by George Petros, James Mason (one of Boyd's associates in the American Nazi scene) talks about dating a 15-year-old girl named Eva Hoehler in 1993 "who had been engaged to Boyd Rice." Does anyone know more about this? I find it very peculiar that Boyd Rice was allegedly in a relationship with a young teenager when he was in his late thirties, yet NON is always "that horrible fascist" to the critics, never "that horrible paedophile." Boyd's biography in Standing in Two Circles doesn't mention Eva Hoehler at all.
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Antonius
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I'm sure Boyd Rice has no issue with fucking young teenage girls. Will to power, am I right?
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I'm not saying it would be out of character for him, I'm just surprised he's not more notorious for it.
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Yeah it seems like with the amount of people that hate him they would make sure they had that in their arsenal as well.
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So if she was 15 when she dated James Mason, how fucking old was she when she got engaged to Boyd Rice? 
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I don't think Boyd Rice is racist. However, if you see the unedited version of that Race and Reason episode (unlike the one on boydrice.com, if I remember correctly), there is talk of Screwdriver being a good band, possibly doing a tour, etc. And while I hardly remember anything I may have heard by Screwdriver, I think it's unlikely that they are not racist. But maybe it's just posturing. I don't think Death In June are racist.
I don't judge anyone on the art that they do. I'm sure a woman could piss a person off to a degree where a man might express himself by way of a track like "Violence Against Women", whether he truly feels that way or not. It's not just dumb venting, there's some sociological reference in there. I don't really care about listening to most of Hatesville, but not because I'm offended by it, or even because I feel a need to agree with what I listen to. I prefer Music, Martinis and Misanthropy myself.
I don't care to defend the guy, but I personally don't have any desire to shock, and I've been accused of it a few times in the past. Some people enact "shock tactics" and other people are just interested in things that other people are put off by. I find it funny that there's a discussion about shock tactics going on. Hasn't NON been little more than a few short ambient releases in the last 10 years or so?
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I agree that most of his "Total War" stuff is boring with stupid lyrics...I dont like the guy...his early militancy in the Church of Satan (the Church of rockstars and the Beach Boys!) is ridicolous...his fascist stance is fake and not based on an historical reflection (like Death in June) or on a personal search and experiance (like Wakeford in the 80's)...if i would save something out of his work that would be Music martinis...
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I'm a huge fan, Rice was how I discovered DIJ and I really enjoy his music on its own right. I don't think he's a racist (as seen in the song "Mr. Intolerance") but I think he may be a fascist.
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