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porfirio
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The world is trapped in a apocalyptic economic crisis
What is your opinion about it?
I am a follower, in economics, of modernist poet Ezra Pound and i Believe that the problem is not in the system, the problem is the capitalistic-usurocratic system in itself
The solution is not in a reform, but in the destruction of the system
I'm happy that the system will self destruct
There is nothin' to save in this world ruled by bankers and technocrats
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| Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:33 am |
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i see a problem in the episode of structure change and its rather a simple one...
what to change the system with?
generally its all nice and peachy when the structure crumble and all the malaise goes away...
but then almost inmidiately all the idillic state is changed by a new malaise coming... and the thing is porfirio that man's paradigm is power. If this kind of paradigm is not changed. if we still believe in the old ideals of Power, Militarism, Chauvinism and stuff we will always return to the same thing over and over during history.
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| Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:14 am |
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porfirio
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my ideal is not Power, Militarism, Chauvinism but a new primitivism... back to the land and simpler values and ecological life...and obv i'm all for a peaceful living and against every form of violence
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| Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:59 am |
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porfirio - who stops you to live this way? (if you already don't)
And also what about all the people who won't like to have this way of life?
You talk about destruction of the system , not a peaceful escape to the primitive so you should force them to do it somehow.
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porfirio - who stops you to live this way? (if you already don't)
And also what about all the people who won't like to have this way of life?
You talk about destruction of the system , not a peaceful escape to the primitive so you should force them to do it somehow. |
Surely no one stops him from living this way, but I think his thoughts are reflective of my own in that he feels its what's best not only for ourselves as a species but for this planet and the rest of the species that live on it. If he thinks like I do, those thoughts aren't authoritarian, but rather 'wishful thinking'. The reality is that the will of mankind isn't to return to our roots and live a beautiful, sustaining life. It is to continue to consume nature until none is left. I live in an area of the United States (in Kentucky) where coal mining has all but completely destroyed vast areas of mountainous ecological systems, in addition to destroying life-supporting stream systems and unending pollution, all in the name of 'jobs' and an incessant addiction to energy. While I'm hardly at a point in my life where I can call myself an 'environmentalist' (as I throw out the same trash as everyone else and lazily or accidentally waste energy, drive a vehicle, etc), I still make steps towards becoming more of one every day. I've thought many times about returning to the land and abandoning the world I've made for myself with a full-time job, but even today that takes money and a great deal of know-how which I don't currently possess. Also, I wonder if 7 billion people could do such a thing successfully...
Again,'wishful thinking'. I believe there's no way that even 1% of Americans feel the way I do, nor would it be an easy task doing the convincing.
I guess the point is, that 'the people who won't want to have this way of life' don't have many other options than to participate in the current world of consumerism and blatant (albeit veiled) destruction. It really, really hurts me to think that the child that I hope to have one day will have to face a toxic world without the beauty that I was lucky enough to know as a child. It's still here, especially in my area of the world where there is still a great deal of forest to roam, but I can't help but wonder for how long.
Porfirio might not have the same thoughts regarding environmentalism as I do behind his wishes, but I think we share the same end goal.
Here's an idea -- rather than let this melt down into a frustrating debate as like what usually happens on this forum when Porfirio is involved, could we brainstorm on fixes for the current state of the world that would still allow people to have the freedom to make their own choices without destroying the planet or the resources on it? I'm curious what you and Ayax have thought about regarding 'saving the planet', if such a thing is even possible any longer...
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porfirio
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I agree with every word Sage says and feel much the same way
I cant wait to quit my job, throw away my car and mobile phone and get back to a more natural, also if poorer, life
I have this plan, is my ultimate goal
Is not only wishful thintink...it can become reality
And obv I spoke of self destruction of the system...the system is self destructing...there is no need of a violent revolution
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For those that would like to throw away their cell phones, get rid of their cars, and quit their jobs.
Getting rid of the cell phones is easy as is quitting the job, the catch is after you have quit said job is feeding yourself, granted you could grow your own food, and assuming you own your own property or if you know someone who will let you grow the food you need to sustain yourself then you are in good shape.
If you aren't a home/land owner then best be prepared to pay rent with the wages of your non-existent job (if you aren't bartering), or if you have savings you could do it with that but for a limited time only.
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When I said "While I'm hardly at a point in my life where I can call myself an 'environmentalist' (as I throw out the same trash as everyone else and lazily or accidentally waste energy, drive a vehicle, etc), I still make steps towards becoming more of one every day. I've thought many times about returning to the land and abandoning the world I've made for myself with a full-time job, but even today that takes money and a great deal of know-how which I don't currently possess."
....land and growing food was specifically what I was referring to, as well as enough to hold me over until I got the system going efficiently.
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If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?
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Then why call Him God? |
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| Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:31 pm |
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porfirio
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The way to get out the presente system was already outlined by C.Manson: Drop Out
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Porfrio, if you had some guts you would do what you preach instead of waiting for the fall.
You seem to have the magical thinking of a child. Imagining a better world that will come, one day, with little or no effort.
Better do the efforts now if that is what you really crave for.
Dropping out of the system is easy. You seem to imagine some sort of tyrannic social structure is keeping you in there. But really, if you want to go live isolated in a forest, this way of life is still possible and available.
Only problem is this : it takes a lot of courage.
Why not be the hero of your life ? You seem to be rather good instead at putting yourself in the position of the victim.
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porfirio
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i'm organizing... is not something you do in one day...but my project is well ahead...and i'm def not a victim...everyboy should be the king of his own life, and before Manson, Jesus already saw that "we are in the world but we are not of this world"
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